Symptom

My shoulders and head tilt the wrong way at address

Seen face-on, your trail shoulder sits level with or higher than your lead shoulder, or your upper body leans a long way back, so the arc is out of place before the club moves.

Fat, thin and topped shots are one problem seen from different sides: the lowest point of the swing arc is not where the ball is. Where it sits instead, and why, is what separates the causes below.

Common ways golfers describe this

  • Spine tilt at address
  • Should my right shoulder be lower at address?
  • Head behind the ball at address
  • Leaning back too much at address
  • Tilt away from the target at setup
Lowest point of the swing arc behind the ball, on the golfer's side of itA swing arc seen from in front of a right-handed golfer, so the club travels from left to right and the target is to the right. A hairline marks the turf, with the ball resting on it. The arc sweeps down, reaches its lowest point behind the ball, on the golfer's side of it and exactly at the turf line, then climbs away again. By the time it passes the ball the club is already climbing, shown by a short straight line drawn at the ball along the arc's direction there. The figure moves. The clubhead sweeps the arc from left to right at an even speed, drawing it in as it goes, and the mark at the lowest point comes up to full weight at the moment the head reaches it, so whether the club gets to the bottom of its arc before or after the ball is seen rather than measured.
  • Swing arc
  • Lowest point
Fat, thin and topped are one problem seen from different sides: where the swing bottoms out against where the ball is sitting. The drawing puts the low point on one side of the ball; the questions work out which side yours is on.

Narrow it to one cause

Each question is here because golfers answer it differently, and that difference is what rules a cause out. Nothing is generated while you answer: every question, cause and fix was written and checked in advance.

A few questions · no account needed

What you will be asked

  1. Face-on in a mirror or a photo, how do your shoulders sit at address with a mid-iron?
  2. With a driver teed up, where is your head compared with the ball?
  3. Where is the ball in your stance on the shots where this shows up?
  4. Does the tilt change between a driver and a wedge?
  5. Hold a club across the front of your shoulders at address, then have someone look from behind. Where does it point?

Where this can come from

These are the causes this symptom resolves to, in the order they turn up most often. That order is not a diagnosis and it is not your answer: two of them can produce a shot that looks identical from behind. Each has a fix you can read now, whether or not you answer anything.

  1. Weight hanging on the trail foot

    Pressure stays on the trail foot through impact instead of moving toward the target. The low point of the arc sits behind the ball, so the club either bottoms out early and takes turf first, or is travelling upward by the time it arrives. Both misses come from the same cause, which is why fat and thin so often alternate.

    Read the fix

  2. Reverse pivot

    Weight moves toward the lead side going back and returns to the trail side coming down, the opposite of the order the swing needs. The low point ends up behind the ball and the club is rising at impact, so the strike is thin and the flight is weak.

    Read the fix

  3. Body aimed left of target

    Feet, hips or shoulders point left of the ball-to-target line. It usually starts when the shoulders swivel open to follow the eyes toward the target, or when a golfer aims left on purpose to allow for a slice. The path tends to follow the body, so aiming further left to allow for a slice reliably makes the slice worse.

    Read the fix

  4. Ball too far back in the stance

    The ball sits well before the low point, so the club is still descending steeply when it arrives and delivers less loft than the club actually carries. Flight is low and the ball meets the face while the path is still travelling right, which is why a back ball position so often adds a push or a hook.

    Read the fix

  5. Ball too far forward in the stance

    The ball sits ahead of where the swing arc reaches its lowest point. With an iron off turf this means the club is already climbing at contact. It also encourages the shoulders to aim left at address, which pulls the path further left and adds curve to the miss.

    Read the fix

  6. Hitting down on a teed ball

    The low point falls before a ball that is sitting above the ground, so the club is still descending at contact. Spin rises, launch drops, and the strike climbs the face toward the crown. It is the single most common reason a driver goes shorter than a three wood.

    Read the fix

These are not here because they sound similar. Each one can come from a cause on the list above, which is why fixing one sometimes quietly fixes another. The closest matches are first.

What this rests on

If something here contradicts what a launch monitor tells you, say so. Corrections change the page.

Discussion

Golfers who have had this shot, on what it turned out to be and what sorted it. Read it as experience rather than diagnosis: the questions above are what narrow it to a cause.

Loading the discussion