Symptom

Tight lies, bare ground and hardpan

Off firm, bare or closely mown ground the club bounces into the ball or catches it around the middle, and the fear of chunking it makes the next one thinner still.

Fat, thin and topped shots are one problem seen from different sides: the lowest point of the swing arc is not where the ball is. Where it sits instead, and why, is what separates the causes below.

Common ways golfers describe this

  • Tight lie thin shot
  • Why do I thin it off tight lies?
  • Scared of hitting it fat off a tight lie
  • Hitting off hard ground
  • The club bounced into the ball
Divot running straight down the target lineA ball and its divot seen from above, with the golfer's feet drawn at the left and a dashed target line running up the page through the ball. The divot is a torn strip of turf starting just past the ball and running forward toward the target, running straight down the target line. It is brown soil showing inside a ragged edge, a divot of ordinary depth with the sod lying just ahead. The figure moves. The club passes through the turf at an even speed and the divot is cut behind it, starting where the club first met the ground and running forward, so where the cut begins relative to the ball is watched rather than stated.
  • Target line
  • Your divot
The mark left in the turf is the one piece of evidence that waits for you to walk up and look at it. Drawn here square and of ordinary depth, which is the reference yours is read against.

Narrow it to one cause

Each question is here because golfers answer it differently, and that difference is what rules a cause out. Nothing is generated while you answer: every question, cause and fix was written and checked in advance.

A few questions · no account needed

What you will be asked

  1. Off a tight or bare lie, what does the bad one usually do?
  2. Standing over a ball on bare or firm ground, what are you trying to do?
  3. Stop at the end of a short shot off a tight lie without moving your hands. Where is the clubhead?
  4. Hold your finish after a thin one off firm ground. Where is your weight?
  5. For this shot, where does the ball sit in your stance?
  6. Where do tight lies cost you most?

Where this can come from

These are the causes this symptom resolves to, in the order they turn up most often. That order is not a diagnosis and it is not your answer: two of them can produce a shot that looks identical from behind. Each has a fix you can read now, whether or not you answer anything.

  1. Weight hanging on the trail foot

    Pressure stays on the trail foot through impact instead of moving toward the target. The low point of the arc sits behind the ball, so the club either bottoms out early and takes turf first, or is travelling upward by the time it arrives. Both misses come from the same cause, which is why fat and thin so often alternate.

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  2. Trying to lift the ball into the air

    An instinct to scoop the ball upward adds loft through impact and moves the low point behind the ball. Height comes from the loft already built into the club and from a descending strike, so the attempt to help the ball up produces the opposite: a thin or topped shot that never climbs.

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  3. Flipping or scooping through impact

    The lead wrist breaks down so the clubhead passes the hands before the ball and the shaft leans backward at contact. Loft is added, the low point moves back, and the shot comes out high, weak and short of what the club should carry.

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  4. Ball too far forward in the stance

    The ball sits ahead of where the swing arc reaches its lowest point. With an iron off turf this means the club is already climbing at contact. It also encourages the shoulders to aim left at address, which pulls the path further left and adds curve to the miss.

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  5. Low point that does not repeat

    The bottom of the arc lands in a different place relative to the ball on each swing, so fat and thin alternate instead of one miss repeating. Treating it as two faults and correcting each in turn is what keeps the golfer oscillating between them.

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  6. Handle pressed too far forward at impact

    Driving the grip end well ahead of the clubhead strips loft off the club and pushes the low point forward, presenting the leading edge to the ball. It is the opposite error to flipping and it is what turns a delicate chip into a skulled one.

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These are not here because they sound similar. Each one can come from a cause on the list above, which is why fixing one sometimes quietly fixes another. The closest matches are first.

What this rests on

If something here contradicts what a launch monitor tells you, say so. Corrections change the page.

Discussion

Golfers who have had this shot, on what it turned out to be and what sorted it. Read it as experience rather than diagnosis: the questions above are what narrow it to a cause.

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