Symptom

Uphill and downhill lies

When the ground rises or falls toward the target, the club digs into the slope or catches the ball thin, and even the clean strikes fly the wrong height and distance.

Fat, thin and topped shots are one problem seen from different sides: the lowest point of the swing arc is not where the ball is. Where it sits instead, and why, is what separates the causes below.

Common ways golfers describe this

  • Uphill lie fat
  • I chunk it on uphill lies
  • Chunked it off an upslope
  • Club digs into the hill
  • Uphill lie comes up short
Lowest point of the swing arc behind the ball, on the golfer's side of itA swing arc seen from in front of a right-handed golfer, so the club travels from left to right and the target is to the right. A hairline marks the turf, with the ball resting on it. The arc sweeps down, reaches its lowest point behind the ball, on the golfer's side of it and exactly at the turf line, then climbs away again. By the time it passes the ball the club is already climbing, shown by a short straight line drawn at the ball along the arc's direction there. The figure moves. The clubhead sweeps the arc from left to right at an even speed, drawing it in as it goes, and the mark at the lowest point comes up to full weight at the moment the head reaches it, so whether the club gets to the bottom of its arc before or after the ball is seen rather than measured.
  • Swing arc
  • Lowest point
Fat, thin and topped are one problem seen from different sides: where the swing bottoms out against where the ball is sitting. The drawing puts the low point on one side of the ball; the questions work out which side yours is on.

Narrow it to one cause

Each question is here because golfers answer it differently, and that difference is what rules a cause out. Nothing is generated while you answer: every question, cause and fix was written and checked in advance.

A few questions · no account needed

What you will be asked

  1. Which slope gives you the most trouble?
  2. When a shot from a slope goes wrong, what usually happens?
  3. At address on a slope, how do your shoulders sit?
  4. Make a swing from the slope and hold the finish. What does your balance do?
  5. On a downhill lie, where do you put the ball in your stance?
  6. As the club comes down on a slope, what are you trying to do?

Where this can come from

These are the causes this symptom resolves to, in the order they turn up most often. That order is not a diagnosis and it is not your answer: two of them can produce a shot that looks identical from behind. Each has a fix you can read now, whether or not you answer anything.

  1. Slope changes effective loft and face aim

    Tilted ground changes where the face points once the club is soled, and where the turf sits relative to the bottom of the arc. Ball above the feet aims the face left, ball below the feet aims it right, and up or downslopes add or remove loft before the swing has started.

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  2. Weight hanging on the trail foot

    Pressure stays on the trail foot through impact instead of moving toward the target. The low point of the arc sits behind the ball, so the club either bottoms out early and takes turf first, or is travelling upward by the time it arrives. Both misses come from the same cause, which is why fat and thin so often alternate.

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  3. Trying to lift the ball into the air

    An instinct to scoop the ball upward adds loft through impact and moves the low point behind the ball. Height comes from the loft already built into the club and from a descending strike, so the attempt to help the ball up produces the opposite: a thin or topped shot that never climbs.

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  4. Ball too far forward in the stance

    The ball sits ahead of where the swing arc reaches its lowest point. With an iron off turf this means the club is already climbing at contact. It also encourages the shoulders to aim left at address, which pulls the path further left and adds curve to the miss.

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  5. Swaying off the ball

    The body slides away from the target in the backswing instead of turning around a stable centre, carrying the middle of the arc with it. Unless exactly that much slide comes back at exactly the right moment, the low point arrives in the wrong place.

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  6. No repeatable setup or routine

    Aim, ball position, stance width and grip get rebuilt slightly differently on every shot, so face angle, low point and strike location all vary with them. Address is the reference the whole swing is measured from, and a reference that moves explains misses that seem to have no pattern.

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These are not here because they sound similar. Each one can come from a cause on the list above, which is why fixing one sometimes quietly fixes another. The closest matches are first.

What this rests on

If something here contradicts what a launch monitor tells you, say so. Corrections change the page.

Discussion

Golfers who have had this shot, on what it turned out to be and what sorted it. Read it as experience rather than diagnosis: the questions above are what narrow it to a cause.

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